"President" Trump

Limbo
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Established NormPosts: 27,223 edited November 2016 in General Discussion
Ok I've done it.

He has to have his own thread. It's too much of a circus not to take some enjoyment from the terrifying reality that he might become the next president (until someone shoots him).

This amused me

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And this made me chuckle this morning: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03x6b6y
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  • calder12
    calder12
    Senior Member Posts: 13,302
    The thing that scares me most is I actually think he is going to win.
  • Limbo
    Limbo
    Established Norm Posts: 27,223 edited June 2016
    Oh definitely. The media machine has made him the most visible presidential candidate ever. That alone will account for a huge chunk of the electorate.

    There's no real threat from an outsider to sweep in like Obama did. Bernie just doesn't have the same draw. And let's face it, Clinton tries to hard.

    The same part of me that wants to see what happens if we leave the EU wants Trumpo to win. That's why we should abandon democracy. We can't be Trusty McTrustfaced.
  • calder12
    calder12
    Senior Member Posts: 13,302
    ha, yeah there's a morbid part of me that is curious too. Clinton's problem is she isn't really a democrat, she's just a cog in the machine that does what she's told.

    I honestly think Bernie is the only intelligent choice but sadly most of America doesn't seem to feel the same way.
  • roto
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    This thread is going to be fun...

    Build that wall, The Donald...build that wall (and make Mexico pay the tab).

    It's such a shame that, every 4 years, we get two fuckcocks paddled out into the mainstream in front of us with no other reasonable candidate (agree with Calder re: Bernie) having a chance at the office. The rest of the world laughs. Wash, Rinse, Repeat 4 years later.
  • Giraffe
    Giraffe
    toxic designer Posts: 9,798 edited June 2016
    Bernie is also a fucking idiot, so that isn't helping his odds of victory much.

    "Free college for everyone!"

    "How??"

    "Tax wall street!!"

    Right.
  • Giraffe
    Giraffe
    toxic designer Posts: 9,798 edited June 2016
    It honestly baffles me that people think he's a suitable choice. I understand the wanting to vote for the anti-establishment candidate, but none of his views make any sense. In a lot of ways he's just a socialist trump, who makes these extreme suggestions to right the wrongs in the country, but the actual solutions are so laughably specious and ill considered that you'd need your fucking head examined if you thought he could actually do anything about it.

    Also, forgive me, but the man is like 80 years old and wouldnt surprise me if he actually took to the podium and died minutes later. I'd like a little less angry grandpa in my next candidate.
  • roto
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    So who are you voting for?
  • Giraffe
    Giraffe
    toxic designer Posts: 9,798
    No one, near as I can tell.
  • calder12
    calder12
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    There are a number of countries that have free post secondary, but yeah those are countries that don't let big business and banks run the show.

    Please tell me you aren't one of those fucking morons that thinks socialism is actually bad, or that the big corporations and rich in America actually deserve the breaks they get.

    You can be a dick, but I rarely question your intelligence... I'm doing that now.
  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
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    Trump really doesn't have a chance unless Hilary gets
    indicted. He's a good conman/huckster and was able to tap into the angry racist sentiment and manipulate the low IQ portion of the population, but he doesn't have the tools to win a general election.
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  • Klang
    Klang
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    That gives him about 70% of the vote.
  • Pete Nice
    Pete Nice
    Gorzilla Posts: 5,214
    Giraffe wrote: »
    Also, forgive me, but the man is like 80 years old..

    Ageist
  • Limbo
    Limbo
    Established Norm Posts: 27,223 edited June 2016
    Giraffe wrote: »
    Bernie is also a fucking idiot, so that isn't helping his odds of victory much.

    "Free college for everyone!"

    "How??"

    "Tax wall street!!"

    Right.

    Agreed, however you also have:

    "build a wall"

    Isolate us as much as possible.

    "Make america great again"

    Bit like "Make Germany great again" no? (I started it so might as well be the first to make the obvious comparison)

    "Make Muslims scapegoats"

    What like the Jews?

    To it's not much if a choice. Rampant facism or rubber dingy socialism (with saunders). Good luck with Clinton...
  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
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    Klang wrote: »
    That gives him about 70% of the vote.

    He didn't even get 70% of the Republican vote.
  • Giraffe
    Giraffe
    toxic designer Posts: 9,798 edited June 2016
    calder12 wrote: »
    There are a number of countries that have free post secondary, but yeah those are countries that don't let big business and banks run the show.

    Please tell me you aren't one of those fucking morons that thinks socialism is actually bad, or that the big corporations and rich in America actually deserve the breaks they get.

    You can be a dick, but I rarely question your intelligence... I'm doing that now.

    Calder, firstly, please feel free to question my intelligence as much as you'd like. I don't give a flying fuck what you think of my decisions, especially when it comes to the governance of a country you don't even live in.

    Secondly, I don't care what you choose to call it. The decisions of a leader should make sense. I don't think that's too much to ask. When Bernie Sanders quite literally suggests we "tax wall street" to provide free college for people, I don't hear an actual solution with any merit. Yes, big banks controlling things is terrible, and on paper I like the idea of receiving something for nothing (like anyone). But I'm also not a fucking idiot. This is taken from his own website:
    Under the legislation, $70 billion a year in assistance – two-thirds from the federal government and one-third from states – would replace what public colleges and universities now charge in tuition and fees. The federal share of the cost would be offset by imposing a tax on Wall Street transactions by investment houses, hedge funds and other speculators.

    You might be wondering why his idea strikes me as so idiotic. It's mostly because his plan is to tie funding the lion's share of public education to something speculative, like the economy. Because that never changes, as the last ten years of recession have proven. Hedge funds are already in dire straights in America because their returns having becoming increasingly fucking terrible, and the recession has theoretically ended.

    What do you do then? Just keep imposing different taxes on these people to make up for the shortfall? That seems like a pretty underwhelming plan to me, and mostly seems formulated to tap into the anger of people who don't want banks have such a controlling interest in the way the country is works. That's fine. I'm fundamentally one of those people. But don't insult my intelligence.
    “We once led the world in the percentage of our people with a college degree, now we are in 12th place.” Sanders said. “Countries like Germany, Denmark, Sweden and many more are providing free or inexpensive higher education for their young people. They understand how important it is to be investing in their youth. We should be doing the same,” he added.

    You know what would be even better? Ceasing all of this college degree bullshit. This country is actually in dire need of actual honest to god blue collar labor precisely because everyone is trying to get a higher education and make six figures. So basic things like, I don't know, erecting a fucking building, are now much harder to do because the training and labor simply don't exist to support such endeavors.
  • Limbo
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    This is what you need in a president. Trump and Clinton don't have the balls. I reckon Bernie could give a decent roast.
  • handcraftedweb
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    There's not all that much a president can do in the context of our gridlocked system. The most significant thing they can do (other than direct the military) is appoint judges (and even that needs confirmation from the Senate).
  • handcraftedweb
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    Trump will be visiting Ireland this month and I hope he's treated with the respect he deserves. Because Trump loves the Irish!
  • Limbo
    Limbo
    Established Norm Posts: 27,223 edited June 2016
    I'm sure they will. To be sure.

    Trumps attitude toward the natural world is abhorrent; just another resource for plundering or a beauty spot to be moulded for financial gain. The entire republican party seems to share this total ignorance for toward conservation. Fat cat mentality.

    I wish an American Indian would run for president.
  • Limbo
    Limbo
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    I really like this man (politics aside).

  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
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    Yeah The Big O is one helluva likable politician. It drives conservatives crazy. He will be staying active in the public debate when he's done presidenting, which is not the standard protocol, but is good.
  • calder12
    calder12
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    Giraffe wrote: »

    Calder, firstly, please feel free to question my intelligence as much as you'd like. I don't give a flying fuck what you think of my decisions, especially when it comes to the governance of a country you don't even live in.

    ...snip

    Best, most rational answer I've heard to that question. There are ways to do it, a number of other countries have proven that. But your response as to his plan is well reasoned.

  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
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    I have no problem with "free" college but the president doesn't have the power to implement that, Dems would need the House and 60+ of the Senate - it's an unrealistic thing to campaign on, but it excites the young people.
  • Limbo
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    What a cunt.

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    How does this man have supporters?
  • Klang
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    To be fair to him one Muslim doesn't make it a contradiction
  • Limbo
    Limbo
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    You're defending that statement?
  • Klang
    Klang
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    I'm defending the accuracy of that statement. Other than Mo Farah and Amir Khan I can't name many Muslim sports stars and I don't think much of one of those two.

    Apparently Chris Eubank and Mike Tyson are also Muslims. I think I might have to side with the Trump on this one.
  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
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    Kareem Abdul Jabbar is Muslim and was one of the greats (IMO a candidate for GOAT). He's also a sensible and eloquent person.
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    So there we go, two American sports stars, we are literally falling over them there are so many. Both of them converts I'll hasten to add.
  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
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    We only needed 2 Muslim athletes to contradict Trump. Our work is done.
  • roto
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    Don't forget Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf...wicked J & sick handles. Now you have 2 & 1/2.

    This has been way more subdued than expected. We're guaranteed a joke for a "leader" (again). So sad, but at least she stuck with her man after he "allegedly" got blown in the White House. Good for her.
  • Klang
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    No, you don't. And again, another convert mid career.
  • Limbo
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    The sentiment of his statement is fucking grim. Who gives a shit if there's 80,000 or 8?
  • Klang
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    Because wether you like the sentiment or not, Obama made a claim that was factually weak. Muslims aren't 'our' sports stars. Throughout sport top Muslim athletes, let alone 'stars' are extremely thin on the ground.

    Of course the same can be said for too Chinese and Indian sports stars. Read in to that what you like.
  • Limbo
    Limbo
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    Obama trying unite and welcome Muslim's albeit the words were pithy. Trump dividing and segregating. That's all I see. Regardless of the numbers (well under 1% in this country too), the fact remains that Trump is a divisive facist using fear and empty vitriol to win votes.
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206 edited June 2016
    Is he divisive on that? Or is he just alluding to that when all is said and done, just like how they prefer their citizens when Americans choose their sports stars, they like them to be white and Christian, and when they can't have that, Hispanic and Christian, and when they really have to choose a third option, Black and Christian. If they really have to suck it up, White and Jewish or Asian. But not South East Asian or Middle Eastern and definitely not Muslim.

    He's playing to Americas prejudices, but they are there by the busload.
  • Bishop
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    Old Bernie could halve the military budget and fund some healthcare or schooling from that.
    That's no way to take over the middle east though.
    I would think that budget would be well needed with either Hillary or Trump at the helm.

    Feels like its going to be a bumpy ride.
  • Limbo
    Limbo
    Established Norm Posts: 27,223 edited June 2016
    Is he divisive on that? Or is he just alluding to that when all is said and done, just like how they prefer their citizens when Americans choose their sports stars, they like them to be white and Christian, and when they can't have that, Hispanic and Christian, and when they really have to choose a third option, Black and Christian. If they really have to suck it up, White and Jewish or Asian. But not South East Asian or Middle Eastern and definitely not Muslim.

    He's not using it in a positive way at all, so yeah it's divisive. Alluding to the fact that Muslims are lesser folk because they don't have any sports stars, then talking about how great Mohammed Ali was. Who, incidentally very publicly spoke against against prejudice, hated white supremacy, pushed for a minority voice and would have been very clear on his message about Trump if it was a different era.

    In short, the facts are irrelevant in those tweets, he's using the lowest common denominator to win votes and it stinks.
    He's playing to white middle class scared Americas prejudices, but they are there by the busload.

    fixed.
  • Limbo
    Limbo
    Established Norm Posts: 27,223 edited June 2016
    Looks like Bernie's out of the race. Clinton's got the numbers she needed for Nomination.

    Boo.
    But rival Bernie Sanders said Mrs Clinton had not won as she was dependent on superdelegates who could not vote until July's party convention.

    I hope Bernie get's in. He's got more bottle than Clinton.
  • Klang
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    He's not using the lowest common denominator though is he. He's using the very real fact that Americans don't like Muslims.
  • Limbo
    Limbo
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    That's fear mongering. The lowest common denominator to his candidacy is fear. Close borders. Ban faiths. Build walls. Scare people into thinking that isolation is the way forward.

    There's no truth to the fact that all American's dislike Muslims. There are a lot of racist cunts in every country (Step forward UKIP supporters). Most folk are more reasonable than that and see extremism is to blame. They hate that, as much as they hate Westboro Baptist or the Clan.


  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    Most people in America wouldnt say they hated blacks either, nor would they tell you they are sceptical of non Christians or the non religious, that doesn't mean those prejudices don't exist in abundance. And they do.
  • Limbo
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    The way I see it is, many folk are susceptible to other peoples ideals. Most are sheep. They don't question what they are told. This is true of all electorates. Americans, Australians and Eskimos.

    So it then falls to those in positions of power (I use the term loosely) to use that trust wisely, with dignity, grace and as a force for good. Not to bully and routinely stigmatise the weak, meek and under represented.

    Even the Pope thinks his ideals are definitely err on the pointy-downward side. Which is about as Ironic as it gets.

    Trump tower does make the best taco bowl though.
  • roto
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    Klang wrote: »
    Most people in America wouldnt say they hated blacks either, nor would they tell you they are sceptical of non Christians or the non religious, that doesn't mean those prejudices don't exist in abundance. And they do.

    That's one hell of a generalization, @Klang ... when's the last time you spent a considerable amount of time over here speaking to the masses?
    Limbo wrote: »
    Trump tower does make the best taco bowl though.
    Ha ha... In the end, it's all about the food.
  • roto
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    Such a cheap, shallow attempt...

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/739571492028092416

    There isn't even a lesser of two evils this time. Save us....
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    2010. And before that 2005, 2003, 2002 and 2000. Although speaking to individuals and watching the sum of all their parts are two completely different things. Any individual would tell you they aren't prejudice, then go out and buy a house in a white neighbourhood and send their kids to a white middle class school. Obama didn't have to spend so much time disproving that he wasn't really a Muslim for shits and giggles. Trump isn't ahead in the polls for the lolz.
  • Limbo
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    Birds of a feather flock together. That is not the point anyone is making really is it? Of course folks are prejudiced — I don't really like cunts very much.

    People want the best they can find for their families. Decent folk should get that chance regardless.

    Those in power need to make that option available to all. But that's fucking hard. And will take decades. Not four years.

    I'm unsure where this is going but I think it's safe to assume Klang is a Clan member.
  • willtoo
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    Clang.
  • Tom
    Tom
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    Klu Klux Klang
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    It's not about who wants best for what, this is about a country built on slavery, built on discrimination, built on deep rooted racial divides, a country that had Niger busses until the 1970's and race riots in the 60's and 80's a country that sat around and did fuck all for days while a black city sat under water and country that so blatantly treats ethnic minorities differently and a political system cooked in the favour of rich white people and you acting surprised when that manifests itself in the form of a racist, opportunitistic rich white man whom everyone seems intent to vote for.

    That Trump stands a realistic chance of the presidency is a direct result of the prejudices of every day Americans. Just like the distinct lack of sports stars, tv stars and films stars in an apparently diverse society.

    And to go back to the original point, one sporting legend who converted to Islam after he had begun to make a name for himself and as a result of the black power movement and his desire to 'cast off the religion of his slave masters' does not make 'Muslims our sporting heroes' and it does not make Trump a hypocrit for acknowledging Ali was a great man after he had previously picked holes in Obamas weak statement. The man made a very assute point by accident while trying to pander to his large, but core support of disenfranchised racist white voters,
  • roto
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    Klang wrote: »
    Niger Busses
    Wrong country.
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    Apple doesn't like racial slurs.
  • Pete Nice
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    Tom wrote: »
    Klu Klux Klang

    Ku Klux...

  • Giraffe
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    toxic designer Posts: 9,798
    I still have yet to meet one genuine Trump voter.
  • David
    David
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    Buses to Niger? that's a hell of a trip

    Trump isn't using racism per se, he's using fear
  • bennyboy
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    MLK: "I have a dream..."
    Klang: "Why bother?"
    MLK: "yeah, fuck it"
  • roto
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  • Giraffe
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    Haha. None of these comments are remotely relevant. How is Klang a racist? Why is the KKK being brought up? How is that skit pertinent? Might as well just lock this thread if the basis for calling someone a racist is a basic point of disagreement.
  • Klang
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    I do wonder if MLK could look 50 years into the future as president Trump gets sworn in if he'd think it was worth getting murdered over.
  • Tom
    Tom
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    Pete Nice wrote: »
    Tom wrote: »
    Klu Klux Klang

    Ku Klux...

    Wigger
  • Limbo
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    Haha. None of these comments are remotely relevant.

    How very dare you. This thread's bringing out the best in our peaceful community of free thinking intellectuals.
  • Tom
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    Klang wrote: »
    I do wonder if MLK could look 50 years into the future as president Trump gets sworn in if he'd think it was worth getting murdered over.

    Black people still being murdered by the po-lice on a regular basis too.

    A long way to go still for real change for your average black American.
  • gotnousername
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    Limbo wrote: »
    How very dare you. This thread's bringing out the best in our peaceful community of free thinking cunts.

    Fixed
  • roto
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    Giraffe wrote: »
    Haha. None of these comments are remotely relevant. How is Klang a racist? Why is the KKK being brought up? How is that skit pertinent?
    Conversations don't always have to be linear...you racist.
  • handcraftedweb
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    Klang has become Trump's UK spokesmodel.
  • Klang
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    Am I? I was just pointing out America is nowhere near as liberal and tolerant as some of you like to believe.
  • handcraftedweb
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    You questioned whether Trump is divisive, which is like questioning whether Hitler was anti Semitic.

    And it's clear enough how liberal America is, 45% vote liberal consistently, 45% vote conservative consistently, and 10% are up for grabs. Been that way for decades.
  • David
    David
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    Is it possible to be conservative and not a Muslim hating racist
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206 edited June 2016
    What you call Liberal the French call the National Front you fucking plum.

    And I didn't say he wasn't divisive. I said on the subject of Muslim sports stars he wasn't wrong and his comments about Ali are not a contradiction.
  • handcraftedweb
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    You questioned whether Trump was divisive (which is like...) and you're trying to rationalize Trump's hypocrisy. In other words, you're supporting him.
  • Klang
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    Abortion is divisive in America, so to is killing black people for being black in the wrong area. Droning the fuck out of civilians is sadly not that divisive. Questioning wether two Muslim convert sports stars affirms the statement 'Muslims are our sporting heroes' is not divisive, the original statement is. Agreeing with someone on one subject does not qualify as support.
  • roto
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    So... How about that Tronald Dump.

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  • bennyboy
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    Klang wrote: »
    I do wonder if MLK could look 50 years into the future as president Trump gets sworn in if he'd think it was worth getting murdered over.

    I think the whole black president thing might make up for it. Although he might have preferred just to not to get murdered.

  • Klang
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    Yeah, because having that one black president is working out well for social mobility!
  • bennyboy
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    Ha ha, I think the fact there was a black president is the thing though, Klang, no matter what state the US is in. And I know all about the state the US is in, I watch American Pickers. It's mostly 70 year old white guys with beards living in shacks with 300 gas station signs.
  • roto
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    Glad my old grandpappy is so well-represented on TV.
  • Giraffe
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    Klang wrote: »
    Abortion is divisive in America, so to is killing black people for being black in the wrong area. Droning the fuck out of civilians is sadly not that divisive. Questioning wether two Muslim convert sports stars affirms the statement 'Muslims are our sporting heroes' is not divisive, the original statement is. Agreeing with someone on one subject does not qualify as support.

    Far more measured response than that bullshit deserved.

  • roto
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    Not exactly Trump-related, but election related which has been discussed...

    He was already buried, but the last bit of dirt has been tossed upon Bernie's campaign coffin:



    I wonder how often she wears a strap-on to bed...
  • handcraftedweb
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    I got 2 words for you roto: "Madame President"
  • roto
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  • bennyboy
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    God knows what he thought about Finding Nemo.

  • Limbo
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    That takes stupid to a new level. Or he has shares in the film company.
  • roto
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    Horrible film...even if you completely suspend all disbelief of, well, everything. So sad that Morgan Freeman would accept a role in it.
  • willtoo
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    Morgan Freeman's in Finding Nemo?
  • Klang
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    I suppose the original movie was a stark warning of the very real threat posed by North Korea.
  • roto
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    willtoo wrote: »
    Morgan Freeman's in Finding Nemo?
    It's a non speaking role as sea anemone #3

  • roto
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    Trump's own Lawyer Donating to Billary

    (not that he's his only counsel)
  • handcraftedweb
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    Nothing wrong with basing foreign policy on action movies and TV shows.
  • handcraftedweb
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  • Shiro
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    Limbo wrote: »
    The way I see it is, many folk are susceptible to other peoples ideals. Most are sheep. They don't question what they are told. This is true of all electorates. Americans, Australians and Eskimos.

    Side point - the Inuit consider the term 'eskimo' to be discriminatory. Not many people outside Canada know this though.
  • Shiro
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    I think that the point Klang makes about Trump 'poking a hole' in Obama's comment, and fawning over Ali not being contradictions is technically correct, if viewed in a vacuum. But when you look at the poster, he was 'poking a hole' in Obama's comments because it furthered his anti-Muslim rhetoric, and his fawning over Ali is jumping on the bandwagon. So when looked at in context, they are most definitely contradicting each other.
  • David
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    There's also more than one Muslim sports 'hero' you bunch of racists - and klangs inference that those converting are less applicable as Muslims is a bit off

    List of Muslim professional sportspeople

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_sportspeople

    Anyone if those could be a hero to someone
  • Klang
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    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    Bollocks. That's like saying Scott Sidwell could be anyones sporting hero. And the point about them being converts is two fold. One, Ali and the other bloke converted under political motivations and did so not into mainstream Islam. Secondly it was to make that point that had they converted publicly before making a name for themselves we probably would have never heard of them.

    Because, you know, Americans don't like Islam.
  • David
    David
    Keeping Tom Happy Posts: 12,891
    its not bollocks, you don't preside over who is a hero to someone else

    Fair point about converts, the Muslim issue is exactly what Obama was referencing, a small token that I don't think is deserving of the cynical pedantry, but I'm all about peace and love
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    I know I don't, but Obama was speaking in general terms, and generally that's bollocks.
  • David
    David
    Keeping Tom Happy Posts: 12,891
    Speaking generally about a very specific definition of a hero? Is that logical, especially since you've decided the parameters for ascribing the 'hero' status and decided they are the ones Obamas was referring to

    It's all to vague, it's only a tweet ffs
  • Klang
    Klang
    Ray fucking Purchase Posts: 17,206
    Now you are definitely talking bollocks
  • David
    David
    Keeping Tom Happy Posts: 12,891
    What ever
  • handcraftedweb
    handcraftedweb
    thought leader Left coastPosts: 6,614
    One thing about Trump supporters, they are tenacious.
  • roto
    roto
    |-/ Posts: 12,958
    fQU69T1.jpg

    Mostly posted b/c of the dude in the back.
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