[Limbo]

Uplifting: empowering, energetic, inspiring, optimistic, educational, influential
Facilitating: enabling, networking, flexible, easy going, results oriented
Entrepreneurial: inventive, dynamic, resourceful, can do attitude
Dedicated: loyal, purposeful, supportive, fair, faithful, service, humane

Classic marketing wino jibberish

[emil]

Originally Posted by cam

That'd be stupidly cheap for here - i'm guessing that's average in Romania?

I think it's a little bit above average. For the same price you can get a php/database driven website (yet done with tables and with poor design). However it does scare many possible clients off, who just prefer even cheaper websites

[cam]

Originally Posted by emilpaun

I think it's a little bit above average. For the same price you can get a php/database driven website (yet done with tables and with poor design). However it does scare many possible clients off, who just prefer even cheaper websites

D'oh, that sucks

[hawken]

Originally Posted by Dusteh

Is it just me or is content the most annoying part of the whole process? Forget arguments over payment, costing, design - its getting the client to actually give you something to work with thats the hardest part.

I have had to build websites using about 5 lines of text - no joke.

thats where the "designer" part of "web designer" fits in. Invent a design suitable for the client and build it, thats what they WANT to PAY you for.

tsk, programmers, honestly.

[lucidcreations]

Originally Posted by hawken

thats where the "designer" part of "web designer" fits in. Invent a design suitable for the client and build it, thats what they WANT to PAY you for.

tsk, programmers, honestly.

Cock.

That's called form without function.

tsk, Illustrators/Artists, honestly.

We have Copy Writers for that.

[Limbo]

Originally Posted by hawken

thats where the "designer" part of "web designer" fits in. Invent a design suitable for the client and build it, thats what they WANT to PAY you for.

tsk, programmers, honestly.

Think you got the wrong end of Dusteh's stick Hawken

The content is not design, not style, not look & feel.. or whatever you want to call it. It is the copy, the text, the literature. The stuff that turns up in Google... the most important part of any webpage.

Dusteh. I can totally sympathise with you there. It's like getting blood out of a stone. I Set out this as my most important requirement when talking to a client - I make it VERY clear that they provide me with copy. I send them a Doc we use to educate the layman about web content writing, content and Search Engines. It's actually very effective save one or two who repeatedly choose to lose/ignore it..

[hawken]

Originally Posted by lucidcreations

Cock.

That's called form without function.

tsk, Illustrators/Artists, honestly.

We have Copy Writers for that.

Can't be that hard to find out what the function of site is, it's not like you are handed a can of cat food and asked to create "something".

Form follows function, but you can still design a site without content, so long as you have a rough idea of what it might be. This sort of complaining is just obnoxious time wasting, mommy isn't going to hold your hand, just build the site.

Best not to post after you've been down the pub, especially when you end up calling stangers "cock"

[lucidcreations]

Limbo any chance of taking a look at that doc? I'll PM you my email address.

[lucidcreations]

Originally Posted by hawken

Can't be that hard to find out what the function of site is, it's not like you are handed a can of cat food and asked to create "something".

Form follows function, but you can still design a site without content, so long as you have a rough idea of what it might be. This sort of complaining is just obnoxious time wasting, mommy isn't going to hold your hand, just build the site.

You're right. Your website says it all.

[hawken]

I used to get handed a CD and told to make a website in a week, no more content would be provided.

So the first step was to scan in the CD jacket...

No joke.

Cheshire, I'll meet you after school!

[Limbo]

Originally Posted by lucidcreations

Limbo any chance of taking a look at that doc? I'll PM you my email address.

No fekking chance, but you can have these links to the sites that helped me write it for free :
Keyword density
Common content writing mistakes
Visual perception of content layout and hierachy
SE weighting for page elements (out of date but relevant)

[Mr Fred]

hmmm

[emil]

Originally Posted by cam

D'oh, that sucks

Yeah it does, I haven't had much luck with clients abroad either. I guess I'll just have to settle for my salary...

[Mr Fred]

humane web design.

why is everyone talking such bollocks?

[emil]

Originally Posted by Mr Mik

humane web design.

why is everyone talking such bollocks?

I agree, for instance how can design be loyal?

[lucidcreations]

Originally Posted by Limbo

No fekking chance, but you can have these links to the sites that helped me write it for free :

Thanks, I'll remember that

[Limbo]

Originally Posted by lucidcreations

Thanks, I'll remember that

I am usually happy to share my knowledge, but I broke my back writing this one (10 revisions!). Nothing personal

[paulanthony]

Some of these might be of use to you freelancers out there.

[pgo]

Invalid or corrupted.

[emil]

Originally Posted by pgo

Invalid or corrupted.

Worked fine for me. Try re-downloading it. Maybe it's your firewall/AV messing with it.
Oh, and thanks paulanthony