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Guevara · 14-09-2005, 12:31

Right, I've spent months on a complete in-house re-brand only to have just had all my concepts thrown out by a bunch of wanker accountants and bank managers. They now want to go to an outside agency. I want to make the point that it would cost them shitloads more than paying me, and since figures and statistics are the only things they understand, how much would you charge?

stealthcow · 14-09-2005, 15:12

maybe your work is shit

pedge · 14-09-2005, 17:09

Depends whats involved - let them get some projected costs in from those other agencies and see if that makes them rethink the costs...

Prole · 14-09-2005, 18:28

gotta agree with stealthcow.

seriously tho, it's difficult to pluck a figure out of the air as you've given little to go on.

hearing you on the accountant / bank manager side... stay in there dude...

jase1000 · 14-09-2005, 19:13

I sympathise with you, I've been there. Being an in-house designer usually means you are taken for granted and the assumption is that the grass is greener on the other side.

If they don't like your designs then you should probably just leave it. Sounds like they want to spend some money to satisfy their egos.

Tossers.

Guevara · 15-09-2005, 04:08

Thanks for your thoughts guys

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Originally Posted by stealthcow

maybe your work is shit

Cheers. The work I've already done has been approved by half a dozen different panels consisting of former chief designers for Ford and marketing execs, but you do have a point. At the end of the day if they don't like it that's their choice, I'll let them pay someone fifteen times my salary for a few concepts

d*d · 15-09-2005, 04:59

There will always be people with different opinions on design, desicions on brand design in a company should ultimately be the responsibility of one person, this is the person you need to work with - everybody elses opinions on it are worthless - this guy probably has a preferred designer in an outside agency or beleives that in-house design is worth less than agency design (a lot of people in business judge how good design is by cost not aesthetics). Arrange a meeting with the person responsible for the re-design and talk to him about your concerns instead of trying to find sneaky persuasion tactics on forums

Alexanda · 15-09-2005, 05:06

Can you not post the rebrand? I'd like to see it

stealthcow · 15-09-2005, 05:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guevara

Thanks for your thoughts guys

Cheers. The work I've already done has been approved by half a dozen different panels consisting of former chief designers for Ford and marketing execs, but you do have a point. At the end of the day if they don't like it that's their choice, I'll let them pay someone fifteen times my salary for a few concepts

you cant be that bad then

however, some people just dont understand the internet and what works/doesnt - they may expect to see the site looking like a magazine off the shelf of a newsagent

cant win em all i suppose!

Guevara · 15-09-2005, 05:24

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Originally Posted by cantona

Can you not post the rebrand? I'd like to see it

I'd love to, but at the moment we're not even allowed to show it to the office staff. Got another meeting today, so I'll see what they say.

datahound · 15-09-2005, 12:36

£50 with a condom, £100 without.

briljant oranje · 15-09-2005, 13:00

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Originally Posted by datahound

£50 with a condom, £100 without.

reach-around ?

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Guevara Gimme Ma Milk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Anywhere I'm needed Posts: 219	How much would you charge arsehole clients? Right, I've spent months on a complete in-house re-brand only to have just had all my concepts thrown out by a bunch of wanker accountants and bank managers. They now want to go to an outside agency. I want to make the point that it would cost them shitloads more than paying me, and since figures and statistics are the only things they understand, how much would you charge?

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Prole Right turn, Clyde Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 377	gotta agree with stealthcow. seriously tho, it's difficult to pluck a figure out of the air as you've given little to go on. hearing you on the accountant / bank manager side... stay in there dude... __________________ everything was great til i got here

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