[ngdesign]

Hello all

I wanted to offer my design services to anyone who is searching for a designer. I also work with other designers if you have a heavy work load and need to outsource some of your material.

I have a very clean, crisp design style. In fact, it seems to be one of my signature traits because people always mention it to me when they inquire about my work.

I am experienced with the following software:

Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, Microsoft Office

I use HTML and CSS for my code. I am also comfortable working with some Javascript and PHP. Most of my older work still uses tables, but that seems to be a huge dirty word with designers these days, so I'm working on transitioning over to exclusively CSS and XHTML layouts.

I also provide extensive compatibility checks on multiple browsers and operating systems.

Please contact me to discuss your projects. My website is at nathangrimes.com.

[lmclaney]

You say you use CSS but your main site uses tables...

[.Ryan]

uh... he does use css...

http://nathangrimes.com/content.css

tables are html, what do they have to do with css?

[lmclaney]

tables are html, what do they have to do with css?

I typed HTML by acident - hence the edit.

uh... he does use css...

uh... show me a single div in the code...cause il show you a million tables in the code.

Sorry ngdesign no offence to you but you have to admit it uses tables and i was just wondering why that was.

[.Ryan]

I saw CSS not HTML.

I linked you to his Stylesheet, divides are not css they are html.

CSS is used to style html, whether it be a divide or a table. He is styling his tables with CSS.

[lmclaney]

Yes i know divs are just containers and is HTML and I know CSS styles html but he is still using tables, the way that he is creating the site is not ideal.

The point is I was pointing out that the site uses tables and is not using CSS in the ideal way. There are many reasons why you should get rid of tables. I only pointed this out as he was advertising that he was getting rid of tables, so i was saying he should get rid of the tables in his main site.

He is styling his tables with CSS

Whats the point in styling tables when one of the reasons for CSS is so that you dont need to use tables.


Sorry i just dont like tables

[.Ryan]

He is using CSS the right way, he's not using html the "right" way.

CSS has nothing to do with tables vs divides, CSS was made to style your html.

Tables are for tabular data, that is all, he is using tables wrong, not css.

[sub]

Nice looking site by the way, nathan
Haha. Poor bloke was only trying to plug his services.

[bgw]

Yea, I like your design there Nathan. Just lose the table based layouts, and you'll be heading for plenty work, I'm sure.
...Actually, probably still get plenty even with table based layouts. Go chap the doors of design agencies in your area to try get some freelance work your way.

[lmclaney]

HAHA ok your just twisting things i say and be all nitty gritty about it, ok i may not have explained things correctly but the general meaning of what i was trying to say was GET RID OF THE TABLES.

To use CSS the "Ideal" way you shouldnt use tables!!! Thats what i said - i have already looked at his CSS before you even posted the link and his CSS is fine. Im just saying how he is implementing it with tables is not "Ideal" - im not saying its wrong im saying "not IDEAL"!!!!

I can give you all whole list of reasons why to get rid of tabless.

Anyway i appoligse to ngdesign for ruining your thread, I think your site looks great by the way just lose the tables.

Oh and your CSS is fine!!!

[.Ryan]

You are still getting them mixed up, it's not ideal to use CSS and divides, CSS has nothing to do with it, it's ideal to use divides for semantic html.

All CSS does is style your html, which he he is doing perfectly fine, the way it should be, his semantic html is off and using tables incorrectly.

You came into someones thread to make them look like a moron, "you say you use css but your main site uses tables", you wanted to belittle his skills, when he was right - he uses CSS to style his tables...

Anyways, back to the topic, I like your site, i'm not to sure about your colours but it isn't bad in any way just not ideal. I like the layout and everything, apart from the footer, doesn't match the rest of the site.

[lmclaney]

Ok im not even talking about using CSS with divides, all i originally said was show me some divs which was wrong but i never mentioned divs again. Im saying you should get rid of the tables as it hinders accesibility as screen readers find it hard to read tables, uses more bandwidth etc. I dont know why you keep on mentioning divides as i only mentioned it once.

All CSS does is style your html, which he he is doing perfectly fine,

Hahah do you not even read my posts properly I already said his CSS was fine and im quite aware of what CSS does.

Also I never implied he was a moron as I knew he already wanted to change his sites to exclusively CSS, i was just pointin out his main site isnt css exsclusive. Im just not keen on one post wonders who join a communtiy to spam there site as cheap advertsiment and then bugger off again.

By the way look at most of the threads on this whole site and you will see people telling people to bugger off because of that.

[ngdesign]

You know, there are hundreds of posts under the "Advertising" folder of this forum. All of them are from designers who would like to mention their work.

And in every post I've seen, people have been very respectful of the designers. They don't debate or criticize that person's work. They simply accept that this person would like to throw his name out there for anyone who interested in hiring him.

But whatever reason, you people felt compelled to pick apart my method of doing things instead of just leaving the thread open to potential clients. Oddly, I don't see that on any others posts.

People, you can code with tables or you can code with CSS. It doesn't mean a thing if you don't know how to create compelling designs. Just because you know how to set-up a DIV tag does not mean you have the right to sling mud at fellow designers.

My clients hire me because of the service I provide. I could really care less what other designers think because you don't pay bring any money to the table for me. The people that matter to me are the clients, and they love the service I provide.

Further more, there have been several times when I have posted to this forum to get feedback on drafts, and I get childish remarks like "sucks." I'm beginning to believe this forum is overrun with 14-year-olds.

Any PROFESSIONAL designer who is actually educated knows a thing or two about constructive criticism. "sucks." is not constructive feedback. The definition of constructive feedback means you describe something that does not work for aesthetic reasons, and provide an alternative suggestion. Plus, any professional knows that a draft design does not mean it's polished and ready to go live. It means you've started with a bare bones concept and would like advice on how to flesh it out.

Oh, and a sidenote to lmclaney, who started this whole debate. You may know how to write a DIV tag, but you certainly don't know how to spell or use grammar properly. It's a good thing you believe you're a genius with code, because I don't see how you communicate in the real world. My guess is that one e-mail to a client and they would die laughing after seeing the way you write!

My advice is to spend a little less time picking apart code, and take a few days to study a dictionary. Do you know what that word is? Look it up on Wikipedia.

Best of luck to all of you! I hope you enjoy disrespecting other people who are trying to network here. May you get exactly what's coming to you.

[.Ryan]

If you were aware of what CCS did you would have shut up and not replied.

You then go on to say exclusively CSS, how many times do I have to say it; DIVIDES ARE NOT CSS. Divides are HTML, and you don't need to use them to be "exclusively" using CSS, you need to use them to be using semantic HTML.

So according to you, if someone uses a table for tabular data, they aren't "exclusively" using CSS.

CSS = Cascading Style Sheet, I linked you to his style sheet, which validates so = exclusive CSS *shock horror*

Tables/Divides = HTML/XHTML NOT CSS.

If you still want to reply, just don't, go read please.

NGDesign, I don't think anyone said your work sucks, I think everyone agreed it was nice design, just most people here think you should use semantic HTML, so using tables for what they where made for, divides what they where made for. Also you are on a site - Designerstalk, so the designers talk, I wouldn't expect too many clients coming from it. Anyways, nice design, good luck learning the semantic xhtml.