Hello again dorian
[quote:5310510b1b="dorian"]Just because a painting is a painting it doesn't mean it's art by default. I do not want to judge what is 'good' and what is 'bad' art[/quote:5310510b1b]What is it then? Are you saying 'bad' art isn't art?
[quote:5310510b1b="dorian"]I've done aportrait of my gf that she hates - but I think i't one of the best I ever done

[/quote:5310510b1b]"So?

" Do you think this makes it better (because you weren't fulfilling a brief and were free to paint what you liked)?
[quote:5310510b1b="dorian"][quote:5310510b1b="Stickman"]otherwise it'll look nothing like the subject[/quote:5310510b1b]
So?

[/quote:5310510b1b]So they will fail the brief. But if they fulfil the brief (i.e. paint what they were asked to paint not what they fancy) then according to you it wouldn't be art, although what you're saying it would be no-one knows...
[quote:5310510b1b="dorian"]The site... If the people behind it label it as art - it is fine with me. If feelings were involved - and somebody got a kick out of it...[/quote:5310510b1b]
So, if you can clearly see where someone's feelings have been expressed someone's work becomes art rather than design?
Ages ago now, Oli said designers are also artists, so I'll ask you this again:
Why can't art be the way in which someone expresses themselves within boundaries as well as outside of them?